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Josh Howley + Marjorie Taylor Greene = WTF? Plus, Guest Dr. Rashawn Ray

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Guest Dr. Rashawn Ray, a Professor of Sociology, discusses white supremacy inside law enforcement and a lot more. Plus, the worst of the worst in government.

It's news to us. The week of February. First, Ay everybody. How's it going? Hey, it's Eddie here. Jason Katie, are over there and our socially distance quarantine corners. I got Yo yo live on idobie radio. was always you guys doing good as we are. I kind of dig quarantine. Yeah, a little bit. I mean, you know, I can. There are there are aspects of it that I actually like and I those I'll keep around. You know. Yeah, I mean I definitely think that things will change as things begin to reopen right slowly, but I think a lot of people are going to continue to work from home. I think exactly stuff like that that's not necessary. Wills is. It'll be interesting, though, right. I did no traffic. Oh yeah, that's really helpful. Absolutely well, on tonight's show, today show, this morning, whenever the after you're listening, but we are alive this evening on idobie radio or after doing whatever the hell you list I go at. I get caught up in that. The time shift is messing up my brain. I just went through a portal and time I came out at the other end and I'm like old goop. ANYWAYS, in case you missed it, there was an attempted coup about a month ago. Yes, remember that? That happened. Thank Lee. And if you're paying attention to any of that, or what we've learned since then, is that this attempted cou this domestic terrorist attack, was just another example of white supremacy inside law enforcement. So we're going to bring on a guest, Dr Reshawn Ray, professor of sociology and Executive Director of the lab for Applied Social Science Research at the University of Maryland. What a title is going to be coming on to discuss that white supremacy inside of law enforcement. How did they get there? What to do about it? And then, speaking of extremism and extremists, extremists in Congress there are couple that are just like unhinged, talking about Josh Holly and Marjorie Taylor Green to elected officials that are just out of their minds. So we're going to expose them. Will be exposed right here tonight, like nobody has ever exposed them before. so much exposure so that to expasure the best exposure. It's news to US radio. As always, we are on twitter. It's news to us. Come say Hellarre Headler, a lot of good tweets, Katie, that you had. Yeah, you've been doing a good job responding to stuff, posting things, and a few throughout the week I thought were highlights. There was one actually that was really entertaining to me. It was right before Biden's new press secretary came out. There was a photo that was taken of the podium and a monitor behind the podium and there was like an extension cord that was visible, and then somebody tweeted like actually, the founder of women for trump tweeted you would never see this sort of disorganization the trump administration. Sleepy Joe Probably won't even notice this extension cord, like, what the fuck is yeah, like a scandal, the extensions court scandal. I was so sick. And Yeah, then what did you tweet? I forgot. It was funny. I don't know. I pretty much told her to shut the F up, though. Really, Stfu accord, give me a break or something. It's pretty funny. Yeah, and now went viral. Yes, viral. Then you also tweeted about this Joe Biden and the Biden Administration taking climate change seriously, because General Motors announced that they're going to be eliminating all gasoline and diesel cars and SUV's by two thousand and thirty five. That's pretty crazy. So you tweeted the Washington Post article. Yeah, that's really kind of a big deal because, like, I think what's always held us up before is that we are the biggest, like our biggest cooto emissions come from cars, like that's the biggest polluter we have in the country is cars. So we could never get the car industry to back these kinds of changes that we needed before, and this time they're all kind of jumping on board, and I think it has a lot to do with the market shifting towards wanting electric cars. But it's going to be huge difference. Well, you also have car manufacturers and other countries that are already moving towards us and have announced this. Yeah, so they're just getting in line with the worldwide industry. It's time. And some breaking news today I did see that Delirian is going...

...to be coming out with an electric version of the DELIRIAN and EV delorean. Who Fancy and I was thinking edding up, sign me up. But us, I'm going to be like really, really expensive to charge it because I don't know what the bill would be like to get to one point, twenty one Jiggawatts, but UMP, bump, but they'd be pretty cool to have that. This is probably like super expensive. You bring this up and you know, the counter argument is, how do you charge it? You plug it in. Where does electricity come from? From? From God, who, Oh, from cold power, and you know, refineries and oil and gas, like a lot of people say that. Like I just want to give you to the chance to counter that argument. Yeah, but there's also wind energy and solar energy and and clean holding toward that. Yeah, yeah, clean coal, Clean Coal Wall First, they bleach it first, watching machine and the scrubbers in the before it goes up in the air, they scrub the thing. Yeah, but yeah, you're right, the wind, wind, solar, that's stuff is getting better and better. So as long as we're moving in the right direction, I you know, but you are right, Jason, because it all is going to we have to get this energy from somewhere. Well, for the longest time we didn't have a way to store solar energy, and I mean up until like very recently, like in the last couple years. That's becoming more of a nonissue. So that was a huge hurtle to get over before we could move on to more electric powered. How do we at? What do you mean? How do we store it? How do we figure out a store to get like an extra freezer for the basement sort to deal a lot of night chatteries? Yeah, exact batteries. We had a new freemen to store it was, you know, you had to use it. Well, I mean the technology behind, like batteries in general, though, has come so far. I mean they have batteries and cars right like. So I think as technology improves, we'll be able to store more efficiently. And every year just is such a tramastic, dramastic traumaster, new words, traumatic change. Yeah, well, I mean my iphone lasts half a day, so that's pretty good as far as batteries go. And if they can just apply that to a car, you need a new phone. Yeah, I was gonna say my brand new one last a lot longer than that. That's how they get you. The battery life. That's what makes you upgrade every time. But dirty deed's members of Congress that are just psychotic, dirty and in depth. Look at this week's most important stories. Two names that we should know. That it's we need to get these assholes out and they need to be voted out. I think they will just there. Really hope there's no way that these two serve again, but in the time that they're in it's pretty dangerous. But they're these two are Josh Holly and Marjorie Taylor Green, part of the US Congress Hall of Shame. Shame. These two are crazy. Shame and I don't care will shame. I don't throw crazy around lately, like I know you're not supposed. That's like supposedly something you're not supposed to say, but they I'm saying it because their jerk faces. I think they're both jerks. I may argue that one of them is crazy the other one is not. Yeah, I don't know that Josh Holly is is crazy. He's just a he's just an ass. Well, let's just paple. Let's break it down. Let's talk about both. First, Josh Holly. So he was the first senator to announce that he would object to the certification of Joe Biden's victory and of course that led to others to kind of getting on the bandwagon and ultimately led to the insurrection at the capital. So this guy is sort of like the the, the the, the head of the thing. I was listening. I don't know he started it. It was him. Yeah, point that fingers out. Josh Holly Asshole, jerk US senator. He is a Missouri elected in two thousand and nineteen. He clerked for Justice John Roberts, former attorney general of Missouri, and, by the way, as Missouri Attorney General he also initiated several high profile lawsuits and investigations, including a lawsuit against the affordable care act. So this guy does not want you to have health insurance as well, since in case is personal. Now figures, but more information, like why this guy really is this Josh Holly Gut? First of all, we talked about Ted cruise last week, so go back to last six episode if you having it, if you're listening on a podcaster or if you're listening live on IB radio, subscribe and everything kind of goes together. Last week we talked about Ted Cruz, a, another senator, and why he...

...is just out of control and needs to go. But this Josh Holly Guy, he is like he's bad, just as bad on different levels. He is a believer in the big lie and a supporter of the big lie. I see, I was going to say support supporter of the big lie. Now that when you, when he says a supporter of the big lie, besides using the big lie, will say with that as in a second, how do you? How do we know that he is a supporter of the big lie? Well, he is. We say supporter as opposed to believer, because a lot of people believe that. He doesn't actually believe that Joe Biden wasn't legally elected. So he's just he spreads it. Yeah, he's just spreading it and following along with it, because, but the big lie, sorry by your dry it cut out for a seconds. I thought you're done talking. Go ahead. He's just supporting the premise because he wants the base to support him trump's face. Well, the big lie, I mean, so you're saying that the big lie is saying that Joe Biden was not fairly elected president of the United States. But the big lie, in some research I did, is actually deeper to that than that and it goes back to Nazi Germany and Hitler himself, because the big lie is simply making up a lie so big and ridiculous that you know everybody knows it's ridiculous and big, but if you keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. And we saw Donald Trump do that. Like there is whole political campaign and this technique of propaganda actually goes back to mind Camp Hitler's book, which is all my nightstand and I mean sorry, but right. And President Biden did a town hall leading up to the twenty election and he actually compared holly and Ted Crews to Nazis and reference the big lie. And so this whole lie has been coined the big lie. So now, okay, got it. So now we fast forward to present day, and the big lie is that Joe Biden wasn't fairly elected, even though there's been investigation after investigation and looks into it and the reviewing of the votes and there's nothing crazy that happened there. Yes, I believe there was sixty lawsuits that were turned down in courts and all. Yeah, and so there is this, also this. So this viral photo of Josh Holley's also pretty crazy. So then, only did this guy start the whole questioning of Joe Biden being elected, but what does this viral photo of that went crazy on twitter and everywhere. Right before holly was as he was walking up into the capital, he walked past the angry mob and he raised his fist as he was walking in to object to the certification of the electors. So yeah, him. I mean this guy needs to be expelled. Well, we'll talk about if that's even possible and just a second. But yeah, but that's all. This is pretty crazy. So I guess many of his former colleagues insist that that Josh Holly is is perpetrating this lie that Biden didn't win the election, even though he knows for certain DAP it's a conspiracy theory and he's just like kind of spraying this lie around as he doesn't believe it. He doesn't believe it. So he's he doesn't believe what he's saying at all. He's just trying to, I don't know, overtake, trying to dry it. Hey, he's trying to mean him support, right. Yeah, so all political ambition, right, like there's nothing legal to his challenge. He knows that. And all his former colleagues and friends, they all know that. He knows that. They you know, they've come on record saying that they know that holly knows Biden one, but he publicly he's saying that he's challenging it because he wants the people who voted for trump to support him in two thousand and twenty four for presidential nominee. One of his fellow the Geopenis is, there's a love it, Geo Penis. Former Senator John Dan forth here, Republican, I guess, supported Josh Holly when he was coming up and helped get him elected to the Senate, but now he's come out and and said, quote, supporting Josh and trying so hard to get elected to the Senate was the worst mistake...

I've ever made in my life. He said that to the St Louis Post dispatch. Yeah, that's pretty hardcore in his life as the yeah, yeah, so that's how dangerous this guy potentially is. Keep an eye on this asshole and, especially if you are in Missouri, you need to do everything you can to oppose whatever this guy believes in, make his life a living hell anyway you can, and then at last, I mean what I have to be careful these days, I guess. Obviously, when I say that I mean with your words and what you support, your vote. Yeah, political as well and then, when it comes time to get this guy out of office, do everything you can to get him out of office. When it comes to unite by organizing and getting people to vote, I got to be very specific now. Apparently, yes, yes, that's true. So you don't want to incite anything, and I'm trying to incite anything. So shame on you, Josh Holly, shame, Shame. Next up on the wall of shame is Marjorie to Taylor Green. She is a far right extremist politician from Georgia, businesswoman, conspiracy theorist. This is a queue and on the QUA, non congresswoman, and she is just how did she get Georgia? What the F? She's straight Battie, he's she's yeah, she's. She doesn't have all our marbles. She ran unopposed, basically as what happened. So nobody was paying attention there. We know somebody bring up right, okay, there was. There was a gentleman who were and I would have to look up his name, but I mean he basically dropped out because it was so like the race was getting so batshit crazy and he was afraid of violent extremism, like he was scared of what was going to happen with all the white nationalists? Do you think that writers he I mean, did he say he was being threatened or anything like that? But he was, because it's his dropout is pretty big deal. Kevin van as dull as dull was his name. Okay, so that's the Democrat that dropped out of this race and then that's pretty scary. I mean, I wonder what was going on there. That's something to look into more. But she represents. Yeah, it just seemed more like he was just like really put off by the rhetoric and couldn't he couldn't match it, like he didn't have a mean bone in his body, buddy, and she was coming at him with like conspiracy theorist crap and like mean, really terrible things. And Jewish people are setting the fire, forest on fire with lasers. Yeah, that's that. You fight that, man. That's okay. You can't just throw that out there. I can explain, and I did explain what you're talking about. So Marjorie Taylor Green said that just recently, right, that the forest fires in California are being set by Jewish people with lasers. Yes, she's easy. Care to say that. I saw that the headline and I was like, what the fuck did I just read? She said that. She also says that there's no evidence that a plane ever hit the Pentagon on nine hundred and eleven. Well, I mean, come on. And she also says that the the school shootings, it's Sandy Hook and Marjorie Stoneman, Douglas high in Parkland, never took place, in that they're conspiracies didn't. Alex Jones have to pay a lot of money and law suil settlements. And Yeah, for saying that, says soothe her. So her that she like torments these kids, like she needs to be suit for that. Yeah, because that's really fucked up at the I think the family owers needs to go legally after her for that. Yep, the I mean like just real quick and little tangent, but man, I feel so just my heart hurts for the sandy hook families, like leave their children alone. Yeah, right, like they should not be in litigation. They should try to be moving on, like, you know, like they lost Basil's, they lost babies, their babies, like, yeah, they shouldn't have to be relieving this with every right wing nut job parents of any school shooting victim on this I mean it, just come on and then have them a break. I believe that this woman is a US representative in Georgia, and not only that, she sits on the education committee. Yeah, how did she get that? I mean like that was earthy. Yeah, Kevin McCarthy. So she opposes she says that Sandy Hook...

...was a hoax and the Oh, you know, let's put her on the education committee. Yeah, give me a Goddamn break. Yeah, fuck you, McCarthy. Right. So, she also insists that Obama is a Muslim in that the Clintons are murderers, even though djt himself is drop that. She dropped the whole birtha thing. Yeah, anyway. Yeah, and I and it even gets like crazier than that. I guess that she on a Social Media Post back in January twenty nine teen, she commented that quote, a bullet to the head would be quicker, in a reference to removing how speaker, Dancy Pelosi. So she threatened Nancy Pelosi's life with a bullet to the head. And Ale's make her part of the Education Committee, as by guy are. Yeah, it's funny how all her social media was scrubbed. After all these start to pop it up like they went through, like that's never going to die through. Scrub it all out. You can delete social media all you want with there's ways to bring that up. I know, yeah, before. Well, I know you know. Would have done that before, though I know you know, these people obviously don't know. I mean like to actually go back and delete it. Makes it seem like that they know what she did was wrong. So I's like an admission of guilt to me to go back in de Lete. Yet well, they're still deleting it now. Yeah, this this woman, if so, you have her like threatening how Speaker Dancy Pelosi, with a bullet to the head. She's saying that Sandy Hook is a hoax, as she has all these conspiracy theories. But how the hell do we get rid of her? And Josh Holly? Well, it's really not going to be easy because it looks like we need two thirds vote of House members. The Senate doesn't have to do anything for this, apparently. Actually this is at least for Marjorie. So two thirds of the house have to vote to get her out. But that would mean that the Republicans would need to get on board with it, and that most likely isn't going to happen from party, because Republicans are complicit in all of this. If you support the Republican Party, you are essentially, by extension, supporting this woman, because they're not going to do anything about it. That's correct true story. They don't do anything unless it's tax breaks for the corporations and billionaires. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and our guest is Dr Shaunre a professor of sociology and Executive Director of the lab for Applied Social Science Research at the University of Maryland. He's written for the New York Times News Week coming him post NBC News. Also several books you can check out. And you know, we've been talking a lot about the attempted coup that happened less than a month ago and the the story just keeps getting deeper and deeper, and no surprise, as we mentioned at the beginning of the show for paying any attention at all, white supremacy has a lot to do with what went down on January six and the way that it is infiltrated into law enforcement and well, our guest is an expert on all of these topics. Doctor A, welcome to the showy thank you for having me. I really look forward to have any support conversation. It really is a very important conversation. So thank you. Thank you for taking the time to come on and discuss this with us. It just to get to know you a little bit. So you University of Maryland. Are you from that area? No, I'm not. I'm originally from Tennessee, but I mean I'm living here now. I'm in my tears are obviously growing up here, even though they were actually born on the West Coast in California when I was doing the postdoctoral fellowship in at, you see, Berkeley with a Robert with Johnson Foundation. But now I'm a professor of sociology at the University of Maryland and College Park, which is in the DC suburbs, and I'm from busy rubens dying fellow at the Brookings Institution, which is a think tank, and Watchington DC, a very cool so education is very important to you. What have you always been a curious individual? Yeah, I mean, I would say so. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean of course. I mean I think my you know, both of my boys are the same way. They're very inquisitive, I think, particularly my youngest kid. But I mean growing up, I mean I've been around healthcare providers. So my wife is a nurse Pectutioner. She's on the front lines of this pandemic. My mother is a retired nurse, my grandmother is a retired Hurst and then my mother in law, my sister in law, my grandmother and my Li was growing hid all working healthcare. So I was going to go to medical school. That took Latin in high school. I worked at the Va, I shadowed position and then I got to college and I discovered a sociology course and I was just s gammered with it and I was like, what can I do with this?...

What am I supposed to do? So I figured it out when on to get my PhD Indiana University and kind of never look back from there. What is it about sociology that fascinated you at first, and does this bleed overs your personal life? To do you? Do you try to analyze why things are happening in your familiar in your familiar unit? To her like what's how does this work for you on a day to day you know, that's interesting. I'm serious. Where you know the people are closest to me? was say they'll probably say yes. I mean I'm sure I have some type of kind of stylistic things professionally and personally. But for me I remember seeing the back of a class as a freshman taking the course. There was there was required. It was like intro to sociology. I was like, I don't know what this is, I don't know why I'm here. You know, I've like going to go to bed school. I don't know why I'm sinking this class. And it's just so happened that the professor who was teaching the class had cancer. No, gratefully she recovered it, but she ended up having a graduate student teach the class and he was just so animated. I remember this one day he was like ten minutes later, I'm looking at the class, you know, I'm like Tim in a rule, I'm out of here. He comes running in. It was a huge class, like well over a hundred people, probably two hundred people in the classroom. He comes running in. It was in an auditorium. He's going to stage. He comes in with a white bath robe with a shower weeg, a shower cap and so foot slops and he comes in and he says, Oh my God, she said, I didn't realize that the time change. He said I was waiting for class. So I just came like this sounds like who is this guy? He's a joke. And so like halfway through the class he says who could tell me what I was talking about, and I had no idea, like I was so focused on the fact that he was just looking out of place. When he said, I just perform what it's called a brief experiment on you, which is where you act a differently then the social norms of the setting. So, for example, he might be if, on elevasion, you get to the elevator, if someone is facing the wall when you get it, what are you going to do, as you gotta feed back off for you going to act like you're not paying even attend to me. He's going to free out a little bit. And from that point one I said whatever he's studying, I want to know about so I went to Indiana University. I specialized in social psychology, specialized quality and really looking at the way people think, what they think, feel what they feeling and do what they do. That's essentially what I do. That's so fascinating, so interesting. I would imagine that studying this to also sort of helped you with the ladies case, you kind of get to dissect what's going on and maybe approach things just a little bit more. You can kind of zoom out a little bit more, I don't know, and and it kind of get out of your head and approach it more scientifically, at least I would. I don't know, that's just me being weird, I guess, with that thought, but I mean, I will said. I mean, I mean I was one of the things that I study act relationships and Samily. So our recent book is how family matter, how families matter the simpler, complic complicated intersections of race, gender and work, and so yeah, I mean I've learned to to really know people's various triggers in terms of attractiveness, what really leads the people being attracted to others and not in the biggest thing that I realize when they are. We're talking about attractiveness or even people's motivations behind you know, what we're going to talk about in a second is that oftentimes, as stactors that we don't really think, somebodies actually what we call macro level factors or the part of the system, whether that be institutional sectors or institutional racism. So, for attractiveness. He's actually often times were people bring to the table their social economic status, there as placing level, how much money they think, those sort of things to really influence people's perceptions of attractive it. So one of the big findings that I have and that other defunsome show is that as mean as a place in level, increasing income increases differces being more attractive. Conversely, the more education that we're going to receive, the less attractive they are. Then it doesn't mean someone wants someone who isn't intelligent, but up to a certain point a lot of men actually cannot handle be with the woman who who has a higher level of education in them, who makes more money than them, and these factors say how other people who attractive. That's the ways astinating stuff. I we like almost do a whole show on that. I mean, I guess that's good news for me Exid I think I'd almost rather have a woman that's more successful than me and smarter than me. So I that seems like less work for me personally. But look, I'm the same way. I mean my wife pretty more intelligent and does when more things better than I do. So I I definitely came up when I got with her and we're a high school pret high. So you give me in trouble talking to me about, all right, what I might have done in college. That was part of me, part of me a wom a warning that particular answer. Oh well, that's that why you're...

...here. We kind of went down a weird path there, but yeah, we can move on. That's why we don't get you in trouble. And what we do it when we want to talk about really is just really important. And you know, I guess it's kind of hard to segue a little bit from such a light, hard conversation to the seriousness of this topic. Yeah, but Donald Trump's ideology, I mean it seems to have emboldened a lot of racists and now they're showing their true colors with almost no shame. And my question to you is, do you think it might have been more dangerous to us and we didn't know who these people were? You know what, that's interesting question, I think, for a lot of American sure, and I think part of the reason why is because a lot of us are not willing to admit that had the domestic terrorists to storm the capital, to engage in it, insurgency to reclaim in America they once was, that it scrouded a lot of people, including people like me. We're not willing to admit that those people are our co workers, are neighbors, our friends and even our family members. And part of what's happened over the past, how say, thirty or forty years or so, is many of us have really bought in, brought bought into, a color blind ideology. In other words, we've assumed that if races out of sight, out of mind and we're not consciously thinking about it, that it doesn't impact our lives. So obviously we know there are other people who are living drastically different lives that are highly impacted by race. But for meating people, either because of their racial background or, as some some cases, they're social class background, of their education, that they're able to try to try to create a shield, kind of a force field, if you will, that that is happening over there, that is all the fringe, that is so extreme, that is not mainstream, and part of what Donald Trump did was he injected a still a steroid of hate, into the into the emot American mainstream, and he opened up a Pandora's box. That was literally right on the surface. That was in our neighborhoods, that was in our schools, that was on social media, that we're going to cable news, that was that all the places where we frequently and we we can know monger did I that that's the case. So I think for a lot of people it was a surprised not because it wasn't there, well, because people were engaged in a social psychological process that created a mental block where they would not admit that the things that we consider friends are unfortunately mainstream. I mean, what about people? I mean, like, I think once before Donald Trump became president, I think with like Fox News becoming a really big far right idealist type thing, is when I started realizing it. So before Donald Trump, but before that. I mean it wasn't that I was like oblivious to things, but I've I literally just wasn't around people like that and I don't watch Fox News, you know, I don't watch things like that. So I mean I just I was never around it. I was never you know, I knew about police shootings and things like that, but it wasn't something that was like really put in front of me ever. Yeah, well, you know, I think this part of their force field. I mean, some of us are in a bubble, and a healthy and positive bubble, but then there are a lot of people who are outside of that book or outside of those particular bubbles. So it's a couple things that are highlight one of the big things to mention, and we saw this play out with the two thousand and twenty election, is that Biden's voters primarily came from the most economically thriving communities all across the country. No matter where you're at, most of his voters came from places that are thriving economically. Then that doesn't mean that there might not be some herb in or rural places where people live in poverty. We know that's the case, whether you're in southeast DC or whether or not here in Atlanta or Oakland, a la and would hap. The other thing that happened, though, is that there's also, in conjunction with that urban and rule divide, there are other people who are living their lives in a drastically different way. That leads to the certain things that are playing out in everyday life that their lies really are struggling, and often times what happens is if a person is white is they are more likely to be ruled with, they won't more likely to be working class without a college degree, that jobs have shriveled up, jobs that that shriveled up in black communities decades ago. I mean we can look at Detroit or St Louis or Baltimore, Geary, Indiana and this is to see that's the case, but it's more reason for whites. The other thing that...

...people need to recognize. You thought of capables as a great point. I mean, look, no one can deny the fact that over the past twenty years, Taksoos that dominated cable news up until recently. I mean interestingly saying in technically took the lead and be in December after the election, because it carrious when the Fox response, but that's what the results of Fox actually saying that Donald Trump lost the election. Part of mentioning that, though, is that even before Fox and who's kind of took their rain to control Cable News, part of what was happening in Congress is if we go back to the S, even the s and in the early night blumocrass and Republicans cross the aisle. And it's interesting because I h I just seen before coming on this part of my job at brookings. Send it Republicans talking about their meeting with Biden and how positive it was, and hopefully these are the kind of things that we're going to see. It's kind of bout partisans communication because of the Good S. or started to occur is that Republicans and Democrats started voting drastically different from one another. It started being completely partisan. And Look, I go on Capital Hill a lot, I testify on the hero I beat with our elected officials, and I mean meetings or Republicans and Democrats a lot. Unfortunately, when they come out of those meetings, they engaged in political theater very much similar to what we saw the night of the capital insurgency, where there was still some Republicans who doubled down and talking about voter fraud, but then there will also a lot of others backed away. That's the jest, the extent to which political theater plays out, and it's unfortunate we political theaters playing out on the backs public Americans, hard working Americans who are trying to do what they're supposed to do, and part of highlighting that is what I'm doing. That is even before social media even more in the Cable News Organization. There was polarization on capital hill that I think clable news or responding to clocks are in direction and the other direction cing in and kind in the middle trying to figure out. Obviously you go SAM was on social media and really reflect back to us what we give to it. Yeah, do you think that even if nothing comes from these bipartisan talks that they're having, even if they still can't come to agreements on things, that it will still help move them in a positive direction eventually? I think so. I mean, I think as long as they keep communicating and they keep keep the public abreast of what's going on and they're transparent but transparent about it, I think so. Other tell you the main reason why I think so. On this is the reason why even the mean today with sewing was so significant. Joe Biden, President Briden has been in politics and nearly, you know, like over forty years, right around forty years, and over forty years or so, he has always been a compromiser, animal former and I think that's important for the country. You know, he says these are the things that my constituents, the people who put me at offic want, but they are also seven million people who didn't vote for me. What do they want? And I want to bring them to the table and have this conversation. So I think dot Biden is going to be a reformer that way. I also think I vice president Harris in the same way. I May California, but they look coming up the ranks for being district attorney, Attorney General. I mean she call a lot of flat, often times a lot of flat from liberals and progresses, and I think that was we call. Similar to Joe Biden. Both of them are reformers and compromises and even though I think there's going to boot the bulldoze some things through in the first two years while the Democrats control the Senate, the House and obviously the presidency, I do do sew them is being able to compromise and Joe Biden's legacy in the Senate and Kamala hair is coming from the Senate, I think will help him to get some things done. Now we talked about the what happened on January six, the insurrection, the domestic terrorist act. Do you think you did mention political theater here and there. Do you think that the events on January six was political theater gone out of control, or do you think was an actual attempt at the coup? Yeah, I think it was an actual coup. I mean it's no doubt about it. I mean, look these individuals. Unfortunately, we just found out, what's surprisedly, given the resource that I do, that one in five of the people who they have identified are current to former law enforcement and military. That's not surprised to be because one of the things that always highlight is that bad apples comes for a train on policing and the the roots for rocks and roots of those trees are laced with right, which was which White Sucrembacy, and even for some people join the military like look, we have to be very honest that for the many people who join the military and become police officers, like the people in my family, I mean my grandfather,...

...their twenty one years at the military, serving two wars, couple heart broad star. My models admitted to west point in the late se that the black woman my great uncle, was the first black chief of police in my hometown and that I have other relatives who are in law enforcement. I have to stand their people who are are aiming to protect and serve and aiming to uphold our democracy and actual body. But for all of those people there's also another room, people who join law enforcement and join the military to aim to maintain a sense of white supremacy and ideology of white supremacy, of a particular way of living that only allows them to be able to take advantage of what the United States has to also, and for those good the douce stall in the capital, who are emboldened by former president trump, they went there because they perceive themselves to be the sole rightful airs of the US capital, as a symbol of the United States of America. And we have to be clear that for many of them, when they hear make America great again, they hear a time period in where we will probably not be able to be having his phone call, where I would not be able to be working where I'm working yet, and we were rolled back the clock. We're only certain people would be able to vote, only certain people will be able to have access to to certain occupations and we're certain people will only be able to live in certain places. That is what they want and we could not simply deny that that. Unfortunately, white supremacy is not something that Donald Trump just on the earth or something that supportorly he created. He didn't frame it for it was already there and we have to hit that. It was in our neighborhoods, it was in our schools, it's on social media and, unfortunately, it's also in our sens. you's did a lot of research and you found that there's a big mental health issue inside of law enforcement. So I am wondering, do you this kind of like takes it to one step further? Do you think that white supremacy itself, an addition to being an ideology, is a mental health issue? No, and I and not telling you why. I think because two things. I think first is a pop out kind of lesson, off the hook, and the second I think it is in a sense disrespectful to the people who are day we were mental health issues. You know, I think people are racist. That just racist. Now, I think what you're getting at is there an intersection there? Yeah, it could be it. But what plaut of the intercess is the fact of how people who are often times on the fringe of society, or at least they feel that they are. They think that they are, even if they're not. But all the times they're easily radicalized, and so we know that people who are veterans returning from the war, like my God brother who served for tours in Iraq, to two former, say, Olympians who have fallen on hard times, that these are sometimes the the demographics of people that right wing, extremist white nationally some white supremacies try to attract because they are trying to get them to blame a particular group of people or country and saying that this is what it needs to happen. Obviously we do know, though, there within law enforcement, God Wep, who helped, is a huge problem. It's also a huge problem among military veterans, m who work out done on law enforcement, so that any percent of police officers suffer from chronic stress, depressing anxiety, the angrys, they they anger quickly. They all the times have relationship problems and it's because of the things that they see every day. We've got to six of them before being suicidal. What out of six report alcoholic drill problems. And here's the problem. It was the kicker. Ninety percent of them never see cold. But that that spans across law enforcement, not just the sect of people who I would consider to be racist, which unfortunately is a larger percentage and law enforcement that we actually might think. I mean this to tell you how this kind of stuff plays out. In Baltimore there was a guy who applied for the police academy. He put some some of his somer coal workers down as references, and when they check the references they told the police academy or the police recruits, they say, really know, I mean he's Guy, has some has some rectivities. Why? I'm unsure if you should really be the person who should be given a gun to go out on the streets. They hired in anyway like these other groups. So things that we need to be able to do something about, to put in checks to weed out not only all people with affiliations to wife supremacies groups, but also reduce the likelihood that people who have antip black bias can become police...

...officers at the first place or in any way any Niens at all. Right, I know we have limited time here and we're about to wrap up. Dr Shawn Ray, professor of Sociology University of Maryland, and before we let you go, though, now that trump is out of office, do you think that we should be more or less worried that acts of violence by trump extremists will be carried out in the coming years. You have any opinion on this? It's a great question. As of now I'm I hadn't trained to it. Kind of what I think, which is I was worried before, I'm still worried. I guess I'll say I'm really worried for the president and vice president. I'll tell you why. Because historically, when we look at homes in which we made huge racial progress, which I think we're doing now, we're about to do this, one of the reasons why these white supremacists are are coming out in storm at the capital. When we look back in history, you know the mid s with Abraham Lincoln and of course what happened to him. Where we look in the s with President Kennedy and what happened to him, we know that there have been significant, credible threats against President Brighton and Vice President Harris, and just being in the DC area, I could tell people that it has a disrupted life. Is We know it. I know on the media people see things like what trump where you will block off things and things like that. Know what's happening now is nothing like I've seen in terms of like literally there are places where we cannot go because the credible threat suggests that there could or probably is a bomb in the area, and that has has happened several times over the past months, and so I am worried, but I wouldn't necessarily say that I'm more worried. But I would say that that we need to ensure that people from the National Gothard to capital police are fully vetted to ensure that these white supremacist who are infiltrated some of what I think are pillars of our communities when it comes to law enforcement, the military, that they are lead it out so that we can be sure that the people will put in place to protect our elected officials as well as to protect us, are not compromised where all of a sudden, their views about waste and racial ideology impacts their behavior. All right, well, guess I sorry. One more final question because it is black history month and, as you did put out at peace in the ill. It was a tell. What would mlk say about trumpet the Republican Party can what what would he say? I know you put out a here. What would you yeah, I think what he would say he appreciate you highlighting that piece of that are rot the hell you know. I think what he would say is this part of what I aim to doing. That piece is that is too is to debunk perceptions that people say that king was a republicans. Father was definitely a Republican early on in this wish to be a Democrat later in his life. That was a pattern of most black people, but the Republican and Democratic Party a century ago is not the same as it is today and people need to read up on their history. What King would say is that, look, we have a lot of work to do. He would say that he is in favor of a guaranteed income, he's in favor of increasing the minimum wage, he is in favor, for of of health care for everyone and he is in favor of firmly doing something about police brutality. And, in particular, I think what he would say at the beginning of Black Tishue and what if we really want to address why supremacy and the legacy of systemic racism and its current ramifications is we need to properly atone for not do slavery, but Jim Crow and systemic racism and all the way to probably do that is through reparations similar to what the United States has aimed to do with Japanese Americans, American Indians and other groups. Well, thank you for that and that article is in the hill all right. Well, thank you so much for coming on. Hopefully next time we get you on we can talk about something, something, maybe a little bit lighter, I don't know, but this is a very important information to get out and want to discount that at all. You you know a lot about the way society works and societal norms. You can you can almost be like a writer on the next jackass movie and how to disrupt those. I will well, I would actually welcome that. I'll think I'll watch most of those. So, yeah, I would look forward to that. Actually, sociologist ray on twitter and the from there you can get linked up to the websites and the linked tree. Everything is on there, and looking forward to reading more of your work in the times and news week and the Hill Guardian. All that. We have to have you...

...on again and yeah, thank you so much and have a great evening and I hope that two thousand and twenty is as good for you as it can be. And be safe and I hope your family safe and get that vaccine obviously as soon as possible. We all will, and he's safe. Yeah, thank you. Likewise, thank you all for having me on. Thank you all right. So very cool, very cool guy. I like that conversation. Yeah, it's good time back. Why, where is Jason? Sounds like he's like five. Sorry, my mic. Would I had my mics. It's like, where is it? This is the other room. I mean he's reporting from the bedroom. Yeah, I will, I would. I hope we can bring him back on. There was a point the conversation that I wanted to jump in but I didn't want to interrupt what was going on. But he brought up that Joe Biden was a reformer and that he would compromise and I quite like a question I have and maybe you two could answer it for me. Sure I'm just as distinguished as the doctor we just had on. You're not, but maybe you know you guys are. You both have your finger on the pulse and but my observation is whenever Democrats get in charge, it's always about you know, we need to be bipartisan, be get Republicans in charge of things and bipartisanship goes out the window, like there's no talks, like they just do what they want. Why is there a double standard between when Democrats have leadership and one Republicans do? I feel like they should always have they should always be bipartisan. You know, either side should always get their way. That's somewhere in the middle. That's where most Americans want to live. I feel like they're kind of giving like the scent people in the Senate and the congress, like a last ditch ultimatum here, like here's your choices, like you can work with us and be decent about working with us and not give us your assinine like other ideas that are just off completely that you know will be completely off the table, or we're just going to do what we want because at this point, like let mean, we could go into a whole discussion over it, but usually you only get to right or one reconciliation vote per year. Democrats have two right now. They could piggyback Shit on top of Shit and we could pass through so much legislation into reconciliation votes. And really, I mean they thought they stuck it to us with their stupid tax breaks. Well, we could just wreck their agenda completely at this point. So really, if they were smart, they would sit down and negotiate like goodhearted people. But why is it like that? Why are Democrats like what? And my observation they're like, you know, maybe they try to reach across to the aisle, like, why doesn't it go the other way? Well, that's what happened last time we had power. I think this time they're I think they're not going to fall for it. I think they're legitimately trying to restore our government. All right, we're back live IW radio and thank you everybody for listening this week. If you are listening live, it doesn't get get the podcast because there's bonus content on there. Sometimes not everything will make the actual show. So if you get the PODCAST, go to apple podcasts or spotify. The ideal be APP. Get the podcast and then you can, you know, get everything plus get caught up as well. So, anyway, that's our little commercial for them, the PODCAST, and it was sponsored by our podcast show. Sponsored is brought to you by this news to us, as brought you by it's news to us. All right. You know, we're doing those things where we come back and then say goodbye. I hate that, but so he would you want to say a proper goodbye? I was actually watching Conan O'Brian's show just last night and he did that. He's like, well, be right back, and then he came back and he's like goodbye, and the the credits were rolling. I was like, what the fuck? I got sold atnt for nothing. Damn you codn any final thoughts? Nope, I thought you had something, Katie. Now, Jason, big episode we had talked about a lot. Yeah, is all the steam out of the engine. Okay, that's good though. All right, well, we'll see you guys next time. Subscribe to the podcast. It's news to us, and then please do give us a follow on twitter. We do follow as many people back that aren't boss as possible. So come and say hello,...

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