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Guest: Julian Brave NoiseCat, Biden Tax Plan, Insurrectionist Arrests

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

More insurrectionist arrests, we’ll fill you in on the latest. Also, you’re going to hear that Biden is about to raise taxes. We’ll tell you why that’s a bunch of malarkey.

The Senate confirmed New Mexico Rep. Deb Haaland as Interior Secretary, making her the first Native American to lead a Cabinet department and the DOI.

Julian Brave NoiseCat is the Vice President of Policy & Strategy at Data for Progress and an Indigenous environmental justice activist and will be joining us to discuss this historic senate confirmation.

It's news to us live on IB radio. We are live live. How's everybody doing? It is the week of March Fifteen, two thousand and twenty one. Hey, it's EADIE here. Chris Katie joining us this week. Are Our cohosts? Wow, what's up some guys? Jason is out on assignment this week. I'll be joining us with a special report next week. I just sound very exciting, very exciting, very exciting. So just so much to talk about this week. Some more insurrectionists, arrests. Will fill you in the latest on that. And then also you're going to be hearing a lot about Joe Biden raising your taxes. But, as Joe Biden would say, we all due respect, that's a bunch of a Larky. A bunch of a Larky. Okay, the bunch of Molarky. Will tell you why that's Malarky. And then the Senate. Just like an hour ago, when we're live, you're on a to be radio. Just before we got on, the Senate just confirmed you Mexical Representative Deb Holland as Interior Secretary. That makes her the first native American to lead a Cabinet department and the Doi Department of Interior and we're going to be joined by our guest, Julian Brave noisect, the vice president of policy and strategy at data for progress and an indigenous environmental justice activist, and he's going to talk about this historics and it confirmation. So Mu should be interesting. Let's start the show with this button here US radio. All right, how are you guys? You guys good. How's everybody doing? You never better. How are you doing, Give Gid? We said big ASS, no storm here, but it's pretty much all melted after two two feet fell yesterday and now it's all gone pretty much. That's amazing. That's all right. A hurt, I mean it's not really all gone, but the roads are cleared down and this there's still a lot that needs to melt. But it was a snow didn't weekend, so that was fun. You enjoy getting snowed in Katie? Yeah, I mean I don't know. I felt like there was a lot of waiting for it to show up, but yeah, because it was not here. Supposed to happen on like Friday night and then didn't happen until, was it Saturday night? Those it is a day delayed. Yeah, yeah, let's see what's happening on social media, because nobody cares about the weather. IDWI radio follow. It's news to us. On twitter. Was that guy we put out a pulled. Biden says this is its news to us. On twitter, Biden says the vaccine is going to be available to all adults. On me. First, are you excited to get your vaccine? Fifty two percent said yes, can't wait, forty two percent said they already got it and five five percent said they're not going to get it at all, which I thought it might be a little bit higher. Five percent saying not gonna get it. I think that's an improvement. I think that's good news. Yeah, that is good. You guys excited to get the vaccine? Yeah, I'm getting mine tomorrow morning. Excellent. Yep, what's which one are you getting? I don't know. Guess whatever they have, whatever they stick you way, take whatever it. Take whatever you can get. Yeah, I'm going to get my second shot on Saturday. Oh, congratulations, and then like a twelve days after that I'll be good to go. I can start licking door handles and public places again. We glory days. It's been a hard year for you and glory days. All right, dog, why are you barking right now? We're on the air. You go on Seleck some dorindles? Yes, he does. Katie, you tweeted a statement from the Office of Donald J trump. He's making statements now in the form of these ridiculous looking memos. I guess there's like a an emblem that says the Office of Donald J trump and then underneath this just basically a tweet, and he's putting these deaths. He lost his twitter. Cre's on some things I have to do today. Stationary. Yeah, he's essentially tweeting in the form of a facts is what he's doing. Yeah, and the the, the, the, this memo we put out is just deranged. Yeah, definitely sounds like one of those tweets that says, I hope everyone remembers when they're getting the covid nineteen, and then it says, often referred to as the China virus vaccine, that if I wasn't president, you wouldn't be getting that beautiful shot in quotation. Why a shot of quotations? I don't know. I don't...

...know. For Five Years Comma, at best comma, and probably wouldn't be getting it at all. I hope everyone remembers what a ass it's getting worse and worse. Is Mental declient is like really going down. I normally wouldn't laugh at this, but he's a fucking idiot, so an asshole and he's saw a shitty and try to take over the country. So I have no sympathy for the guy. Yeah, all right. Well, speaking of the insurrection and him trying to install himself as dictator, there have been more arrests with the insurrection and dee part of our news round up to part will give you the latest on that and then also tell you a little bit about Joe Biden's tax plan and why you're going to be lied to a lot about that. It's news to us. News Round Up. Yeas, eight hundred trump supporters tried to right. Hundred trump supporters domestic terrorists. Of course they you know, try to go and kill Congress, members of Congress, as we all remember, which is so crazy. I still can't believe that that happened. Just yesterday I was like that just have that really happened? Yeah, is that something that really happened in our lifetime? And just a few like a couple months ago, I was so crazy. But yes, and now these people are being arrested, Katie, right, they're they're rounding them all up. Yeah, I mean look, I mean a lot of it. And do part two. People turning them in, coworkers, people who see them on social media, friends, family, people are actually tattling on them. So good, that's good to know. Yeah, so they were arrested. Well, they've brought charges against about three hundred of them, okay, and they expect to charge about over four hundred. So kind of charges do you get if you try to murder Nancy Pelos he by barging into her office? What's the charge? You know, I was looking. There's like a hole. I can actually tweet out this in PR article, but I mean it was kind of a lot to dig through. But they have like a whole database of the three hundred and eleven people that have been arrested so far. Wow, and I mean it ranges depending on what they did and what they were caught on tape doing. But I mean some of them it's just like as little is like unlawful possession of a firearm or just like even just entering and remaining in a restricted building. To some of them, it's like civil disorder, assault on a federal officer. A wide range of charges then, and but don't even think conspiracy shares. They all the charge was conspiracy and trying to and treason. And I mean how can I guess? I don't like the charges. Are That big enough? It's like here's your here's your little trespassing charge. Yeah, I guess. Like what my main takeaway was was that they're charging like conspiracy to people who are in groups like like the oath keepers. They've arrested nine members of the oath keepers is so far. Well, three other members have been arrested separately, but they've actually charged them with conspiracy charges based on information that they found in their text messages and phone records prior to the attack and based on their behavior at the attack. But a lot of these people were just kind of swept up in the day, like they didn't actually go planning to attack that day, but then, you know, they were at the rally, at the trump rally, and then it was like, oh, we're going to the capital, okay, and they got swept up in the excitement. I mean, those are the people that are getting charged with like trespassing and things like that. You know how it goes. You go out, you have a couple drinks, all of a sudden you're committing treason, accidentally become an insurrectionist, you have a slippery nipple and then one thing leads to another and you're building a noose for AOC outside of the capital and you're rushing and to her chamber trying to find her. It happens to all of us. What is a slippery nipple? Don't even know. It sounds like something Johnny Carson would order. When did...

...they name those streetings like that? And Harry Navel and sex on the beach? was that like the early les S and they thought it was hilarious? Had it been the s? Can you even order a slippery nipple these days without getting like castle left? Can't? I think it canceled. Yeah, it's a me too. Dore something, but yeah, so what are some of these other notable arrests? Well, there was a trump state department aid, Frederico Kleine. Federal investigators said he was seen in videos resisting officers and then assaulting them with their stolen riot shield. Oh, he actually worked for, yeah, the trump state department, and I believe he worked on trump's campaign too, and he was stealing equipment from officers and then assaulting the officers with it. Year, diplomatic, yes, and blue lives matter too. Yes, and he was also encouraging other rioters to join in on the the actions. So we came so close that day to really to losing America. It is just so crazy, so crazy. Yeah, can you imagine the country? Can you imagine what would be like today had that gone through the way that they intended, with all those high ranking members being murdered and then trump, clary marshall the law and just remaining an office? That would be like a hill. We've been hell right now. We've not been getting covid nineteen vaccine, I'll say you that much. No, we'd be trying to figure out how to get out of the country. Yeah, so scary. Well, before we move on to Biden's tax plan, any final thoughts on that, Katie, or anything else that we missed? Well, yesterday there was, I think, a really important arrests were made yesterday. Julian catter, thirty two of Pennsylvania, and George Pierre Tanyo's thirty nine of Morgantown, West Virginia. They were seen on videos spraying officer sick nick in the face with bear spray, and he is the officer who actually died from the riots, and they believed before that it had been caused by chemical irritant reaction. So they have now apprehended the people who sprayed him with the bear spray and I guess we'll see where those charges go. All right, Biden's tax plan the you're going to hear a lot bidens want to raise taxes. Yes and no. Not For you, though, it's news to us. Round Up. He so yes, President Biden is planning his first major federal tax, like first Tinas. Happens since one thousand nine hundred and ninety three one as major now tax like, though, and Biden raising taxes is what is going to be thrown around a lot by the right bidens. RAISING TAXES IS RISE attack. But he's are the first time in thirty years, which is insane, insane. But there is a big, big caveat to this, because Biden is not planning to raise taxes on anybody who makes more than four HUNDREDZERO dollars a year. I mean less than, excuse me, you less then thank you. If you make less than four hundred thousand dollars a year, you're fine. He's not raising your taxes. I don't know anybody that Ma excited. Think that's a pretty healthy amount of money. It's a lot of income. Yeah, before you have to start paying more tacts like that's a lot incomes. And, by the way, that's not even couples, that's individuals. So it's probably an higher if you're a couple. Yeah, so this this tax increase. Actually, Biden talked a lot about this during his campaign, but basically he wants to boost infrastructure and also work on climate issues and expand help for poor Americans and then also address inequalities in the tax system. So they want to actually raise the corporate tax rate from twenty one percent to twenty eight percent, which doesn't seem like it should be higher than that, because these corporations figure out loopholes. anyways. Yeah, and the I mean they're already just like making money hand over fist like and not paying their employees. So if the government has to support their employees, might as well...

...tax them higher. Yep, there's also going to be a higher capital gains tax for individuals earning at least one million dollars a year annually. Poor guys or people that what are they going to do? What are they going to do? And then apparently this is going to raise two point one trillion dollars over a decade. Is what they're looking at. But how does it affect the everyday American though? Really so, as we said earlier, if you're earning more than four hundredzero dollars, then you might get taxed a little bit more, but for everybody else, the majority of Americans, are going to not really see any tax increase but in fact, probably tax cuts. According to a study that was looking at how this tax plan will work, the average American might actually earn a have a tax cut of six hundred and twenty dollars per year. Not Bad, I'll take it, why not? And then this, this new tax plan is also going to repeal portions of president trump's tax law that benefited corporations and wealthy individuals. So that's kind of what it's doing, is repealing a lot of that stuff. So a trump's tax plan was all about, you know, helping out these billionaires and millionaires, these poor billionaires of billionaires. They need tax breaks. How will they survive without five votes. I don't know. I don't know how they do it. Honestly, I don't know. I only have four boats and it's really rough. If only had a fifth vote. Yes, but yeah, so here's what the the Republicans are saying. So the argument against this is they say that this will send the US economy into a death spiral. Republicans are saying that everything to them and their death spiral. They use the word death spiral. Yeah, that's awesome. A Congressman from New Jersey said. How dramatic is that? They don't have any sort of they really don't have any sort of logical argument. So they say death spiral and they blame Satan and all this BS. Yeah, there's no subtlety or middle ground ever. It's always one extreme or another. Yeah, and another argument that the Republicans are using their saying that the Biden tax hike plan causes, well, the Americans to panic over estate planning. Boohooo Oh, where are my millions of millions of dollars gonna go? Who? Who? What? I'm dead. Who Do you imagine even having an estate to plan for? Yeah, I know it. Do I have any sympathy for anybody who has fifty million dollars and in a state that they owe. They're panicking because now they're planning is slightly harder for their lawyer to figure out. No, they're they're panicking because they can't give it to their kids for free anymore. Yeah, their kid might get a little tax on it. Yeah, their kids going to have to pay tax on it. Oh, Child Act. So ridiculous. I'm it's just it's only disgusting the wealth and equality and this country and how the the there's just there's I don't know, that's like a whole other show, I think. But here's what people here's what people are here's what people think on reddits. Delicate animal flower says this that the real name. Yeah, that's our real name. Yeah, look up delicate anial flower on Reddit. He says I make over eight hundred thousand most years and some years significantly more, and I'm fine with this. So he he's been with how much he makes. Their Fun with the tax plan, the tax plant. Are these fine with bolls? This is a person who makes eight hundred thousand dollars a year and they chose the reddit handled canal flower. Yeah, well, I want to know more about this person. What do they do for a living, and who is this guy or Gal? Delicate annial flower? Probably don't want to know what they do for a living. We should do an entire show on delicate annial flower. Democratic Republic. That's somebody on Reddit says. Nobody likes taxes, but it's the price you have to pay for a civilized society. Oh yeah, worry, we want roads, you want police with when you're getting mugged, and we want fire department with your house is on fire. So not a bad thing to pay taxes. Here's what eight hundred to four twenty four on twitter says. Or Yeah, twitter. I think the...

...rights will cry that this kills jobs. However, increasing capital gains for individuals making over a million dollars and raising the individual tax rate for those making over four hundred thousand are modest changes that only impact a small group of very wealthy people. Well, that's just, that's just is too that's makes too much sense. Yeah, but the the economy is going to go down to do death spiral. America's gonna go into death spiral. Was it wasn't there like some Congressperson that said that Satan himself wrote this tax plan? I'm sure I thought I saw that. It's so ridiculous, like, like, here's the difference between Republicans and Democrats these days, as like they want to scream that like death spiral over democratic policies and like whatever, like we know they're full of crap, but like when we were screaming like death spiral over trump policies, like we were being facetious, like it was evidence based. Yeah, it was evidence in fact based material and non bias, non partisan research. Yeah, like, so they're just they sound like their bat shit crazy when they talk like the and the people that support them. I mean that's the thing that just boggles my mind because, I mean mostly, most of their votes are coming from Middle America and people who are middle to lower class, and meanwhile these these Republican Congress people are defending something that doesn't benefit their constituents and their constituents are like all about it. Yeah, like, yeah, bend me over, I keep yeah, I haven't had enough yet. Yeah, it's an abusive relationship between Republican voters and they're elected officials. I think every Republican has daddy issues. Don't Shay Anal Sex? Well, it has nothing to do with thing if you judgments out of the bedroom. Hey, do what you want. I'm just I'm just saying that there's a there's a weird, like sub and dumb relationship which, again, do what you want in the bedroom. But this, this, this seems like a just a weird, unhealthy relationship between the Republican voters and their elected officials. Yeah, like they want that Daddy Authority, authoritative figure that's going to tell them that they suck all the time. I don't get it. I don't know. What do you guys think of the tax plan? Are you excited? So exciting? I talking about tax favor. You know, I try to keep on top of the news, but this the first sti've I've heard about it. Honestly, what would you think? Seems fine to me, you know, like I think that's what this country needs to do. I think the probably the tax trait on the richest Americans, has to go even higher if we're going to try and bend our debt curve back down toward the ground. I was gonna say I feel like it's not aggressive enough if it's only going to raise two point whatever trillion over a decade. Like that's not enough. Yeah, that's that's pocket change. We just spent to trillion in a single bill and we spent two trillion on trump's tax bill right, like, so we've got some ground to make up in these rich people have got to start answering for at least some of it, because they took most of it. So when people like Jeff bezos can accumulate that much wealth and not have and have very little tax liability, there is something really immorally wrong, as as Bernie Sanders would argue. Yeah, or like even people like trump, orally, when he's when he is paid less in taxes than you and I have. Yeah, it was this tax bill. Seven hundred and fifty dollars. Yeah, like, I'm sorry, I barely made any money last year, like really, literally any in my tax bill was more than seven hundred and fifty dollars. What a dog. Yeah, so, like, how does that work? I don't know. That's so disgusting, all of it. Well, anyways, will keep an eye on that. But something really cool did happen today. They sent it confirmed New Mexico Representative Deb Holland as Interior...

Secretary, making of the first native American to lead a cabinet. Department and we're going to talk to Julian Brave noisects, the vice president of policy and strategy at data for progress and an indigenous environmental justice activist. This guy's got quite the resume to by the way, is very impressive. So we'll bring him on on zoom here and come back and talk about this historic Senate vote and see what he thinks about it. Don't go anywhere. It's news to us on need to be radio. All right, it's news to us for your life here on a DOB radio. And hours before we went on the air alive, the Senate confirmed do Mexico Representative Deb Holland as Interior Secretary, maker the first native American to lead a Cabinet department and is pretty awesome moment. Here's actually that vote, audio from the the floor. Here we go. One the Nayser, forty. The nomination is confirmed. Yeah, they should be more excited than that. But our guest is Julian brave noise cat. He is the vice president of policy and strategy at data for progress and an indigenous environmental justice activists, and he's here to discuss this historic Senate confirmation. He's written for the New York Times, Washington Post and many others. Thank you for joining us. Thank you, guys, so much for having me. So we briefly chat with you for just a second before we got your live on the air. But you yeah, you said this has been a very good day for you, so you're feeling pretty good. You know, my body is rebelling against this notion of daylight savings, but my heart is just incredibly moved by, you know, the fact that the upper chamber and our government is doing right by indigenous peoples and that it's been far too long, but that it's for a wonderful, wonderful leader in person. Out of secretary, you were actually one of the first to suggest that representative all land be appointed as secretary, and my question for you was, I mean, do you take any any pride in that? But you apparently appear to be so at doing that. And what was the first thought that you had when that Senate vote went through? Um, I would say that I my initial response was one almost disbelief. Over the summer I added it now, Madam Secretary, then congresswoman Holland's name to a document called the progressive cabinet project. It was kind of like a fantasy football style draft your dream a cabinet into the next Democratic Administration thing that my think tanked out of a progress put together. Just to give you a sense of like how kind of wish Casti it was, we had Keith Ellison for AG choke way La Lumba, the socialist mayor from the south, as Hud Secretary, and we had my congresswoman, Barbara Lee, for Secretary of state, because she was the only person to vote against conversation, the use, of course, after eleven. So it was a really, you know, sort of, you know, put it out there and you know probably nothing will happen kind of thing. But you know, I think that people clearly saw the Holland suggestion as a as a compelling one, and you know, it was that hope that she embodied, the notion that this was a good idea, that it was the right thing to do, that carried her all the way from being, you know, a freshman in the House of Representatives to now being the first ever native American cabinet secretary, and I just it's just such an honor and and I'm very, very humbled to late rule in it. So cool, so cool. Yeah, good job, to you for for everything that you've done leading up to this and you know we have we have questions about what this means going for but it's kind of get to know you a little bit. I mean you're an interesting Guy Yourself. You are actually listed on the time one hundred next list of emerging leaders in two thousand and twenty one, alongside do Alipa, Amanda Gorman and others. It's been a really exciting I guess two thousand and twenty one looking better than two thousand and twenty four. You perhaps right. I mean everybody had a bad two thousand and twenty but this is shaping up to be a good year for you. You guys forgot the starting point guard of my fantasy basketball team, Luka Danja, who was also on the list. Would Yeah, straight for the whole thing. Congratulation. Yeah,...

...yeah, well, he's been doing really well for me and in fantasy I've actually it first place in the league. So yeah, I guess you could say, you know, meeting the fantasy basketball league. It's been a good it's been a good year and I you know, I think that in today, I obviously it's it's such a privilege to get to do these sorts of things, to write, advocate, to work on policy and politics. But the thing that feels most meaningful of wall is that, you know, especially with this this Holland confirmation, I'm not so sure about winning fantasy basketball at having a broader world impact, but Holland being the secretary of Interior, you know that's really going to need something to first people's too, indigenous people's and, I think, to all people. You know, the fact that someone with her story in her background kind aspire to and achieve leadership in the executive of the United States is is an incredible thing and you know, I I'll admit sometimes I'm not a particularly hopeful person about what can be achieved in this country and and through our government. But you know, today, today taught me as a believer. Were you having doubts that she would be confirmed? No, you know, I think that I was confident that Holland would be confirmed. She's a remarkable politician. She actually, you know, was probably the only American politician who could count activist groups like the Sunrise Movement on the one hand, and Congressional Republicans like Don Young and Tom Cole on the other, as her supporters. In her push to become the first native cabinet secretary. So I always believe that she, you know, was a remarkable politician who could not just be a pathbreaker but also a consensus builder and a unifier. But, you know, on the other hand, I knew that the Republicans were going to try to make this as painful as possible, right, and you know, I think it's a real shame that, you know, people like Ryan Zinky, who was trump's into your secretary, a guy who, you know, worked for the fossil fuel industry and was invested in it while he was, you know, leading the Interior Department, could get like sixty eight votes, right, you know, a strong, thoroughly bypartisan confirmation, and that, you know, Holland today got got fifty one. So I thought she would get through. But at the same time, you know, I am disappointed that, you know, folks on the conservative side of the aisle could not see the what, how and how important. Did meaningful this? This would be not just for you know, Indian country or for any party, but for, you know, our our nation's history. Yeah, more broadly speaking, what would you like to see her do as secretary of the Interior? Department. Oh Man, just the like questions here even a while. I I firstly, you know, I think that she's going to have a lot to do to, you know, get her get the house in order. You know, the trump administration left a lot of booby traps and broke a lot of things at the Interior Department and across the federal government. Among other things, they relocated the bureau of Land Men Management To Grant Junction, Colorado, which led a number of lifelongs of the servants to quit and leave the department. You know, there was a fire sale of leases to drill for oil and gas on public lands at the end of the trump administration and there are numerous environmental regulations and rules that were altered or rolled back or messed with and some sort of way. And you know that's, of course, could be the first order of business. You know, beyond that, I think that Holland has been an incredibly strong voice for conservation, for climate action and, broadly speaking, for environmental good in the Congress and the Interior Department is going to play an incredibly important role in that effort. And what's what's, you know, personally, very important and meaningful to me about her leadership is the is this idea that indigenous people's can be leaders in the fight against climate change. You know, over the last decade many indigenous movements have risen here in North America. There's, of course, the movement against the Dakota Access pipeline, at Standing Rock, movement against the keystone exel pipeline and many others. And you know, I think that Holland's confirmation marks the arrival of that, that idea that indigenous peoples can be leaders on...

...these issues, you know, at the highest echelons of government and politics, and I'm very hopeful that that leadership, the leadership that she's now going to take up, will be meaningful and impactful and we'll show that in fact, ys empowering indigenous people's as leader, leaders and environmental stewards is good not just for native people but for all people. What's traditionally has been the relationship between first nations and the Interior Department? Has it been cooperative and positive, or is there any antagonism between those groups in the past? Oh, we just love the Interior Department. So, I mean the I was. So the best way to explain this is that the third interior secretary, guy named Alexander Stewart describe the United States mission regarding native peoples as, quote, to civilize or exterminate us. And you know that was of you. That was not just held by Stewart but was broadly held by people in the Interior Department and beyond it. And the Interior Department played a pretty important impact, a leading role in many instances, in the assimilation and attempted annihilation of Native Peoples. In the late eighteen hundreds, the Interior Department helped implement the DAWS act, which privatized and alienated millions of acres of native land. It helped to take away native children to the boarding schools where our languages and cultures were often quite literally beaten out of our children. And in the mid nineteen hundreds it also played a leading role in the era of termination, where the United States stated policy towards native nations was literally that to terminate our sovereign legal rights and status. And you know, against that history, I don't think I need to do much more explaining than to say that the you know, confirmation of a Laguna Pueblo woman who you know, went to the camps erected the path of the Kodak's pipeline and cooked Green Chiliet and tortillas for water protectors is a remarkable shift and one that I think inspires a lot of hope for for native people and, you know, I think for lots of other people as well. It really is an amazing story. It really is. Some of the argument against representative Holland, though, from the Republican side. They say that she ignores science when it comes to protecting grizzly bears and yellowstone, and that's one of the big things that Senator Barrosso of Wyoming has been saying, which I think is ridiculous. But what's your reaction to that? The bears one about bears thing was really funny. So I think it was actually Senator Day and so Brasso was going after hall for that, but I think it was Senator Danes who asked her a follow up question about it. Danes is from Montana and he was, in some ways to Brasso's, the ranking member of the energy and Natural Resource Committee in the Senate. So he's the top ranking Republican. That's what that means, and Danes was is also on that committee, which is the committee that handled hollins confirmation hearing and Danes was, in many ways sort of the ring leader of the crusade against Holland, and so they were trying to, I guess, do like a big Gotcha with her where they were like you say you make policy decisions based on science. Here's some science. It says we don't need to protect grizzly bears as an endangered species anymore, I guess, because protecting grizzly bears is, in their eyes, bad and you know, can you explain yourself? And when she was asked to explain herself, she just like responded with this incredible line of Fourth Right charm being like I what was it exactly she said? I guess I was caring about the bears, which I tweeted out at the time and it like kind of went viral and we started a Hashtag bears for dub because deb is for the bears. And you know, I guess we had some we had some inner net fun at the Expensive Danes and the Republicans and in support of Holland. And I think that, you know, even in that exchange right, you could just see what kind of meter and what kind of person Hollin was right like great response on like incredible response, just absolutely incredible, and this is such an incredible day to and congratulations on this moment just because of all the work that you put into it, and just and a congratulations to America too, because this really is a bit of a healing moment in a way and it really is a very, very big day for America. My...

...question to you, though, is in your in your tender profile, do you say that you're on the time one hundred next list, or do you save that for the first date? You know, it's really funny is one of my best friends growing up actually text to be that same question. My friend nate actually with high school together after I was on that list. I actually don't have it in your profile, so I'm going to plead the fifth on that one. I also feel like, come on, I mean, like if you were on a date with someone or you know, you were trying to like Holler, like, it's just doesn't strike me as a kind of thing that would be a successful line. You know, it'll speak for itself. I think it doesn't the work for you. You don't you have to do anything. I'm so you are involved with data for progress, which is an organization I've heard a lot about. What does data prefer for progress do and what do you do for data for progress? Yeah, so, I mean, I guess my title at Data Progress, which maybe explains a little bit of what I do, is the vice president of policy and strategy. What data for progress does is we run surveys, so polls of public opinion, and then we combine that research with policy analysis and development, sort of the traditional work that you'd imagine a think tank doing, you know, developing ideas that can become policies which then can become laws, and then we pair that with mean straightforwardly, just like a pretty significant twitter following at a pretty loud presence on social media, as well as sort of an earned media megaphone to try to make the case for progressive ideas and progressive change and to give politicians in some instances, ideas of policies to pursue and to generally speaking, just sort of build power for the Progressive Movement in American politics. Very cool, and it's supported by just everyday Americans. Correct. That's how the funding comes through. Know, we we have a variety of income stream so we we fundraise. We have done some small dollar donations. We get some money from philanthropy and then we also provide polling for Progressive Organization. So we don't do any work for corporations or anything like that like most bolsters, but we do do some work for offer our pro rated basis for progressive organizations, you know, survey their their issues, so we get some revenue from that as well. Okay, cool. Well, we appreciate you coming on. Yeah, thanks for letting US know about that too. It's really interesting. We don't have to have you back to talk more about that when something comes up, but we appreciate you, you know, jumping on to give your reaction to this very important day and I guess we'll get you back to celebrating or whatever you're doing this evening and anything that you want to plug before we let you go. Do you have a I know you have a twitter account. Do you want to put that out there or what else? Do you do? Anything you want to plug? Yeah, sure. I mean, firstly I would encourage everyone listening to follow that Holland and her incredible, incredible career and work and you know, we're all hopeful that she's going to do more amazing things at the Interior Department. Data for progress, the think tank where I work, is on twitter at data progress. We also have a website where you can check out our pulling and policy work and I tweet, probably too often, from at J noyse cat and do if you're not a writing which I post on twitter and I also have a website. So that's me. Okay, cool. Well, thanks so much. We able to talk to you again and you take care, have a great evening and yeah, don't, don't, don't party too hard. Thanks. Oh all right, thanks, but all right, okay, we'll right back on its news to us. Any reaction to that? Did anything you guys want to say before we move on? Seemed like a great guy and he had a lot of great answers for our questions. And Yeah, I hope it was illuminating for the audience, because I learned a finger too. Yeah, exciting day for him. Yeah, exciting day for him and and I think for everybody really, if you because I would the back story. I didn't really know and when he was talking about that, I was like wow, this you know. I read, of course, the the news flashes that came through that said the Holland was confirmed and how it was a monument to stay,...

...but these honestly, I didn't know as much as what he told us. So I learned a lot. So he was is interesting. All right, we'll be we'll be back with more. All right. Yeah, thanks to our guests this evening and we've learned so much on this episode. Of Its news to us and if you made it this far, your your champ. I almost didn't make it this far. Yeah, we learned a lot. We learned a lot about the about taxes and learned a lot about the what's happening at the insurrection is the domestic terrorists. And our guest, of course, Julian Brave noisect awesome, truly an educational evening. You know, what I would love for Biden to do is to make a effort to visit all of the first nations within the United States. You know, I don't think I don't think any president is as attempted that and I think it would be a just huge olive branch and a very important chance for for dialog between the President the leaders of the tribes and nations. It would be a huge hall of branch. Why hasn't that happened? That's bizarre. Do you think of all presidents, Obama would have tried that, or or Clinton. Perhaps that's crazy. That's never happened and down to my knowledge, I can't say definitively. Okay, but yeah, I think that would be a good thing, really good thing. I agree with you. All right. Well, before we wrap it up, just I guess, quickly something light. So avatar is is the number one grossing movie of All time and avengers end game knocked Avatar off number one for a brief period of time, but now avengers is back. It's number two and avatars number one. And they're making for more avatar sequels. Does anybody give a shit about avatars? My question, though, do you guys care about one sequel, let alone for other avatars? No, I mean not. I'm not like really excited about it. I mean I'd probably see it. I really like James Cameron and I thought the first Avatar was good, really overrated, but you know, I go see the first sequel at least and see what happens with that. I don't know. You're not a fanity. No, I'm really bummed about this because James Cameron, I love James Cameron. I feel like he's been wasting all his time and Avatar. He's like that friend that you have that is a genius guitar player but he stops playing guitar to go hang out with his ugly girlfriend and it's like, Dude, you have you have so much talent. What are you doing? Well, I don't for Avatar sequels, and that's a lot. It's interesting that this is the project that's consuming all this time. It's almost obsessive to me and weird, isn't it weird? Do you think maybe he went off the rails? What's happening? Because was Avatar really that popular? I feel like it's on this almost being shoved down our throats. Honestly, never watched it. Yeah, it's not even it's an okay movie and and D it was cool, but I never watched it at home. And it's not like a movie that plays on cable TV all the time because you have to watch it in D I don't, I don't. I just don't get it. But maybe I'm out of touch. Am I have of Toucher, because it's it's the highest grossing movie of all time and making four sequels. I'm just wondering, as you guys want, you guys say you agree. Who Do you know? Anybody Likes Avatar, though, like any like friends or friends of friends? It's anybody a big Avatar Fan? I've never met one. Yeah, I don't know of any like major Avatar fandom out there. Yeah, it's not like there're no avatar conventions or anything, not like a furry. Yeah, yeah, how do they? How do they justify making that many avatar movies? And how does James Cameron justify flushing his life down the toilet? Maybe he's got something great planned. What if? What if Avatar, like universe, has combined with Terminator in the abyss and all of those movies into one? That's funny you should say that, because I think a great, great idea. I'm actually working on a fan...

...fiction on it will be an aliens verse, Predator versus Terminators Crossover. Oh that would be amazing. Be The greatest section movie of all time. That's what James Cameron should be doing. Yeah, and then throwing titanic, Titanic. All right. Well, thanks everybody for joining us. We appreciate thanks again to our guests this evening. Dat of a progress. If you want to go see what our guest Julian brave noise cat us up to, and of course he has twitter, as will all of that is going to be the show notes, but whatever you know that by everybody will see you next time. Good night. Appreciate it very much. Jim Apple, all due respect, that's a bunch of a Marky.

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